Here is the latest addition to my long time post MH17 and Ukraine – A Continuing Study, begun in August 2014. If your curiosity is aroused by what you read below, you can find this page and much, much more, by going to the Continuing Study post (above link) and scrolling far down to the top of its lengthy “Chronological Notes” section.
September 26: Here is an excellent report by RT’s Nadira Tudor on the Russians’ presentation of raw radar data from July 17, 2014, discovered by Almaz-Antey, today to the supposedly Dutch-led JIT, who will bring out yet another suspiciously plodding report this week. The raw data allegedly proves that, if a Buk missile did bring down MH17, it could not have come from rebel-held territory. The Russians challenge the US and Ukraine to come up with the evidence that those two countries are obviously withholding that would cover attacks from the North or the West. To my understanding, the Almaz-Antey report, as described by all sources I’ve seen, does NOT eliminate the possibility of Ukraine jets being involved either alone (i.e. no Buk) or to clean up a disabled but flyable MH17 wounded by a “botched Buk” fired by Ukrainian-troops or a rogue Ukrainian paramilitary group. On-board witnesses that might describe events that would implicate a Ukrainian-fired Buk or fighter jet(s) would be an embarrassment worth committing mass-murder to conceal. The Alma-Antey information seems limited to proving that no Buk left rebel-held territory. So, folks, you can once again ignore the latest malignant BS coming from Bellingcat.com, a paid neocon obfuscation website run by Elliott Higgins. Higgins has been proved wrong on Syria and, of course, wrong also on MH17.
The RT interviewer talked with the distinguished British aircraft expert, Julian Bray, who explained why, for real reasons of military secrecy, a nation might not want to reveal part of its jig-saw puzzle (raw radar data, for example) for fear that the data could be reverse-engineered by an adversary to determine what that nation (in this case, Russia) has “on the ground, in the air and into outer space.”
Mr. Bray (of Lockerbie investigation fame) also said near the end:
I take my hats (sic) off to the Russians for what they’ve done so far and hope the other people (US and Ukraine) will bring their information to the table.
Russia’s delay in “finding” the above-mentioned raw data, given the above comments from Bray, may show how desperate a military risk they are prepared to take to eliminate the economic and political bashing to which they are being subjected by the US and its patsy, NATO.
In view of the enormous loss of face and world-class shame that the US and the Ukraine would face if what a growing number of people regard as the real facts behind this shoot-down were to become known, I’m not holding my breath. I’ve been watching the tragic MH17 show for over two years, now…
In view of the April resignation of sacrificial lamb, Arseniy Yatsenyuk, likely engineered by the U.S. State Department, the real ruler of the Ukraine (who put him in “power” in the first place more than two years ago in February, 2014) it seems timely to remind readers of my very detailed timeline on the tragic happenings there that began with the early pro-EU Maidan protests in November 2013.
Originally posted in August, 2014, and kept up to date:
Mainstream Western journalism no longer even tries to apply common standards to questions about corruption. If you’re a favored government, there might be lamentations about the need for more “reform” – which often means slashing pensions for the elderly and cutting social programs for the poor – but if you’re a demonized leader, then the only permissible answer is criminal indictment and/or “regime change.”
One stark example of these double standards is the see-no-evil attitude toward the corruption of Ukraine’s Finance Minister Natalie Jaresko, who is touted endlessly in the Western media as the paragon of Ukrainian good governance and reform. The documented reality, however, is that Jaresko enriched herself through her control of a U.S.-taxpayer-financed investment fund that was supposed to help the people of Ukraine build their economy.
According to the terms of the $150 million investment fund created by the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID), Jaresko’s compensation was supposed to be capped at $150,000 a year, a pay package that many Americans would envy. But it was not enough for Jaresko, who first simply exceeded the limit by hundreds of thousands of dollars and then moved her compensation off-books as she amassed total annual pay of $2 million or more.
Award-winning investigative journalist, Robert Parry, on how the neocon-controlled US administration performs silent coups by holding regimes they do not like to a standard of purity that Hillary Clinton will never achieve.
From Auschwitz we bused to Częstochowa, and visited Jasna Góra, a pretty monastery that houses the much venerated Black Madonna. A photo I had taken out of pure curiosity in the monastery provided a clue that helped broaden my understanding of the period when things began coming apart for the Polish-Lithuanian Coalition and the huge geographical area controlled by that alliance. As we passed through the Monastery a large painting with a big Polish sign underneath intrigued me, so I snapped it. Looking at it a few days ago, I translated the sign and the painting was indeed important. It refers to what is called the Lwów Oath sworn on April 1, 1656. The Swedes had invaded Poland. They marched into Warsaw in 1655. This was the beginning of the 5-rear-long Swedish Deluge. In November 1655 the Swedes threatened to take the monastery at Jasna Góra, but a force of 3200 was fought off by about 150 monks and locals successfully. Their heroism inspired all of Poland to rise up. The Black Madonna (Mary) became the “miraculous” power behind the Polish resistance.
The old story is told that Kraków was founded in 350 A.D. by a bloke named Krakus. He had a beautiful daughter, handy if you want dangerous work done. Let’s call her Jo. Worried by Smok, who lived in a cave under Wawel Hill (see model above), Krakus offered Jo’s hand in marriage to any man who could snuff Smok. Many tried, but when they cut off Smok’s head, he grew two more instantly. It was a bloody, dragon-head-filled while before one chappie whom I’ll call Pawel figured out that cutting off one or more heads just made things worse. He poisoned a goat and left it in front of Smok’s cave. Poison worked. Pawel won the damsel, Jo’s dowry and a lifetime supply of Grey Goose.
We had a lazy morning, since we had opted not to opt for the optional tour of the Salt Mines.There were many stairs down even after the elevator. Going down a ton of stairs is hard for Anita. We still had 9 days left in our trip; not a time to risk your mobility! I opted to stay at the Sheraton with her, tying up some loose ends… where to eat lunch, what museum(s) to see after lunch, and how we might fit in a walk to the 14th C. Kazimierz neighbourhood… until our Salt o’ the Deep Earth group got back. The Salt Mine, and its beautiful acoustic space and sculpture, is a World Heritage Site. Kinda wish I’d gone…
Anyway, when the salts, old and young, returned and had been hosed down with Perrier and rubbed up with aloe cream, we walked up Wawel Hill. Our local expert took us through its cathedral. Most of the royal bodies are kept there, so it is still the most important cathedral in Poland. Continue reading “Kraków, Ancient Capital – May 7”
In her 2007 book, The Shock Doctrine, Naomi Klein pointed out that the world is being privatized at an alarming rate in a decades long process driven by capitalism in overdrive. Every disaster or world crisis is used to scare the population into accepting the need for yet one more transfer of wealth and power to the Very Very Few (my term). The neocons behind Disaster Capitalism will frequently create a crisis of which they can take advantage. The so-called War on Terror is the most devastating example of what has come out of this opportunistic policy, whose neocon proponents must have been quite content when 911 facilitated their continued, decades long, onslaught on our freedoms.
My point today: Recent events in Ukraine have highlighted for me that the Ukraine Crisis, which became acute with a February 22, 2014, US-engineered, coup d’état, is a classic example of Disaster Capitalism. Before long the Ukraine will have been aggressively and widely privatized (farmland, mining, natural gas, etc) to an extent and at a rate that would not be tolerated even in the increasingly docile “democratic” West. It will be “justified” by using the intimidating excuse that it will be better than the rampant corruption that now exists. This devastating crisis was created on purpose. The US, over several years, manipulated Kiev into a desperate position and then engineered a coup d’état. An American is now the Finance Minister of the Ukraine and both its President and Prime Minister are mere puppets selected in advance of the coup by the US State Department.
Like Russia’s gangsterism and Bush’s cronyism, contemporary Iraq is a creation of the fifty-year crusade to privatize the world. Rather than being disowned by its creators, it deserves to be seen as the purest incarnation yet of the ideology that gave it birth.
More quotes from The Shock Doctrine can be found here.
February 8, 2015: This post, begun almost seven months ago on August 13, 2014, has recently expanded because MH17 didn’t happen in a vacuum. Over the past 6-7 months since MH17 went down a mystery story has evolved for me. To properly illuminate and present this story, it was necessary to examine the events that led up to MH17 and ultimately spawned its horror.
Good Stuff’s Been Added:
At the top: this new. zippy outline
At the very bottom: A brief timeline listing the dramatic and violent events of the Euromaidan protests that culminated with, essentially, a coup d’état, forcing the elected government of Ukraine to resign, President Viktor Yanukovich to flee on February 21, Crimea to accede to Russia after a 90% referendum vote in March, and Donetsk and Lugansk to proclaim themselves independent peoples republics on April 7, 2014. I will build more data on these events as my seven-month study evolves.
Aware of the tragedy of MH17 and curious about the narrow, one-note Blame Russia Chorus my once-precious CBC and all Western media were singing, I first turned my focused and serious attention to the Ukraine in early August. My attention grew into this “research project.” I check social media daily and post a brief, descriptive comment that describes the gist of the article or event discussed in the embedded link. I try to limit new additions to new stuff that sheds more light.
The post’s scope has broadened from being mainly about MH17 to include the whole Ukraine-USA -EU-Russia situation that has been going on for over 15 months. MH17 would not have happened if the Ukraine hadn’t been destabilized eight months previously and, soon after, “blown up” politically by the USA and Europe in concert and competition with/against each other. It was a slam dunk that Russia would never allow its one warm water port in Crimea to be put in jeopardy by the creeping expansion of NATO and possible absorption of Ukraine into the E.U.
Ukraine is a big prize that American neocons and oligarchs from several nations have had in their sights for some years. For the USA, running the Ukraine is a way to encroach upon and destabilize Russia. Ukraine does also possess some natural gas and much prime farmland. The USA maneuvers have forced Russia’s hand in Crimea and caused, some say, as many as 50000 deaths.
Russia is a major key to the success of the combined nations of Eurasia. Look at a globe for just a moment and see the huge, contiguous, East-West land mass that is Eurasia. Then compare it to the Americas – a much smaller, climatically diverse, North-South land mass with a very long skinny part in the middle – and a relatively small fraction of the world’s population.
Europe’s Gambit Excites Affluent, Educated Western Ukrainians:
In 2013 Europe started to woo the incredibly corrupt, economic mess of Ukraine into economic association. A small amount of money was offered that President Viktor Yanukovich (no doubt with some mathematical coaching from Vladimir Putin) eventually figured out was not enough to be much help. Then the spectre of IMF austerity measures must have occurred to Yanukovich and he decided (15 months ago on November 21, 2013) to postpone signing the EU offer. At this point many well-to-do, pro-Europe Ukrainians in the western cities of Lvov and Kiev started peaceful protests, marching pleasantly behind huge, starry, EU flags. Babies, children and fashionable outfits were welcome.
Dissent in the East and Increasingly Violent Protests in Kiev’s “Euromaidan Square”:
Soon those humbler Ukrainians who did not like the rapprochement with Europe started turning out. Clashes occurred that eventually became extremely violent. The low point in Kiev was February 18, 2014, following three months of large protests that involved frequent violence upon protesters and some upon the police. The violence came at times from police, hotheads from both sides, Right Sector thugs, Svoboda Party Nazis and foreign “specialists,” the latter financed by powerful interests that include the USA and Ukrainian oligarchs. On February 18 over 100 people died. Snipers shot at and killed protestors and police. It is suspected by many that the snipers were foreign “specialists” hired to escalate the violence to such depths that Viktor Yanukovich would have to step down. On March 5 the Guardian wrote that a telephone conversation had been leaked in which EU High Commissioner, Catharine Ashton, was informed by the pro-West Estonian Foreign Minister that bullets found in police and in anti-Yanukovich protesters came from the same guns. This lends credibility to the above suspicion that the snipers, who quickly vanished, were indeed foreign “specialists.”
American Involvement – Opportunism or Deliberate “Mischief?”
Yanukovich declared February 22 and 23 as days of mourning – and fled. Was the USA foxily waiting for the stingy Europe-Ukraine deal to sour? Was the CIA criminally involved in the ousting of Yanukovich? In early February, two weeks or more before the one hundred died, Hillary Clinton had already begun pulling strings to handpick the Ukraine’s new president and cabinet. Clinton used the poetic Victoria Nuland. You will remember Nuland’s “Fuck the EU!” comment on the telephone to Geoffrey Pyatt, the US ambassador to the Ukraine. That gem was uploaded onto YouTube on Feb. 6. Nuland even went across the pond to hand out cookies to the Euromaidan revellers, whose pyrrhic victory has led to enormous financial woes, the loss of Crimea and horrific violence in Donetsk and Lugansk. The USA has spent billions preparing the Ukraine for this historic moment.
When one looks to attribute responsibility in a political crisis, the question, “Who benefits?” often provides clues. From the list of beneficiaries, Europe and the Ukraine can quickly be removed. Russia has been victimized without proof. The media have tried to humiliate Vladimir Putin using fiery headlines and put Russia under severe, crippling sanctions. Putin is a formidable leader of a large nuclear power. No, the spoils (good word for this), as of February 8, 2015, go to the USA. The neocons and oligarchs who control Obama want Putin gone. Their aim has been to put a weak puppet in charge of a shamed Russia, allow the oligarchs back in, and own, or neuter, Russia.
Then they will turn their eyes on, or “pivot to” Asia.
The Nuclear Clock Is Ticking; Experienced Hawks Are Critical:
The dangerous, high-stakes, neocon Ukraine/Russia plan could start WW III. The nuclear clock has recently been advanced to 3 minutes before midnight. We are back in the 1980’s, folks. Henry Kissinger has recently called the destabilization of the Ukraine “foolish.” Back in 1997, when Clinton started expanding NATO into former USSR satellites, George F. Kennan wrote in the New York Times that
expanding NATO would be the most fateful error of American Policy in the entire post-cold war era.
MH17 Tragedy, some short questions with long answers:
On Purpose? Is it a false flag attempt, possibly with CIA help, involving a Ukrainian Buk missile, Ukrainian Air Traffic Control and/or Ukrainian fighter jets with the intent of enabling lethal sanctions to discredit, humble and remove a demonized Putin?
An accident? Is it a Buk missile error by the pro-Russia rebels, by a careless Ukrainian Buk unit or by a renegade, billionaire-financed unofficial army, such as the Nazi-oriented Azov Battalion?
Just some of the things that make this look really fishy:
the only proper evidence yet presented (Rostov radar evidence) points to the presence of Ukrainian fighter planes near MH17 when it went down. This evidence has not yet been proven false.
the USA reacted with immediate, categorical statements that Russia was guilty. Very quickly this changed to mere word-tricks and innuendo for the last six months.
the USA has never provided the satellite evidence it claims it has. If It pointed at Russia, they would be burying us repeatedly in it. So it probably points at the Ukraine.
Russia’s statement that an experimental satellite operated by the USA was in place over the area at the time when MH17 went down has not been denied by the USA
The Ukraine, early on, interfered with the ability of experts to view the site, forbidding people to go (“too dangerous”) and shelling the area with 2-metre deep holes for good measure
the Western media have presented none of the many alternatives to the “pro-Russian rebel” story
the Dutch investigations appear to be designed to prolong the crisis and thereby the sanctions
the Ukraine, admitted by the Dutch JIT to be possibly involved, has a veto over what the investigation(s) eventually publish. Ludicrous!
the Western media are stepping up the attacks on Putin – at least three CBC stories in the past week: Feb. 1 to 6, 2015!
the West has relied on websites like bellingcat.com and correct!v.org that collect suspect social media posts and weave very tangled webs of so-called proof whose stories keep changing. Correct!v.org is financed by millions of Euros that came from a fund started by a German billionaire. Both these investigative sites started in July 2014. Coincidence?
Ukraine security immediately confiscated all air traffic control recordings and has not released them.
Pro-Russia rebels properly presented, intact, the black boxes to Malaysian officials, who hastily handed them over to the “trustworthy” Brits. Still secret almost 7 months later!
Ukraine videos attempting to show pro-Rebel soldiers stealing from and disrespecting the victims were proven later to be falsely presented when the whole videos found were presented in context by Russian media. Damage to public opinion conveniently done, Western MSM ignored this.
Comments on signs of “very strong machine gun fire” and “no missile evidence noticed by me” made by Canadian-Ukrainian OSCE spokesperson, Michael Bociurkiw, a first responder. It was a precious minute and a half when aired on a CBC interview with Susan Ormiston in late July. I guess the kaka hit the fan at some point; to my knowledge, though parts of that program have been aired again, I have not seen this tiny, important segment.
There is intense competition between:
the current geopolitical primate, the United States (with Israel, Europe, Canada, Saudi Arabia and Australia (the “West”) and
the emerging power base: the huge and geographically contiguous supercontinent of Eurasia that has been recently flexing its muscles in the areas of finance and in how oil will be traded. Eurasia has developed an increasing politico-economic involvement in resource-rich Africa. As scarcities appear, Africa will be something to war over. Again, the poor will suffer. In places like Nigeria there is already desperation over the stuff that comes with the ‘Black gold.”
For my detailed list of findings and links simply, as I said before, go HERE.
Friday, November 26: I looked at this post, posted August 13, 2014 with the intention of placing the earliest post item dated Nov 21, 2013 first and listing them in chronological order ending on this last page: November 27, 2018, but, after working on it for hours yesterday, decided against it because a small but significant number of links no longer work or match what they originally were. So this post it is as it was with the latest post first. It would have been too much work to revise and make changes. For once, the perfectionist in me deferred to common sense and dealing with the present. Six years of dedicated writing in here. It will have to suffice. I think the conclusions expressed are still close enough to the “truth.”
November 27, The Joint Investigation Team (JIT) continues to be exposed as having used critically flawed “evidence” to discredit Russia… The latest presentation from Russia from Sept. 17, 2018 is thoroughly damning in its destruction of the JIT’s claim on May 24 that:
the BUK-TELAR which was used to shoot down flight MH17 originated from the 53rd Anti-Aircraft Missile Brigade of the Russian armed forces.
The Russian response on September 17 was extremely thorough about the production and shipping details of the missile the JIT identified. Lt. Gen. Nikolai Parshin took 12 painstaking minutes to explain that this BUK (whose casing and venturi serial numbers were identified by the JIT) found in the crash area
was delivered by rail 29 December 1986 to military unit 20152 of the Ukrainian army and never sent back to Russia.
Russian Maj. Gen. Igor Konashenkov then attacked the video used by the JIT to explain the movement of this BUK from Russia to Ukraine. Konashenkov used sophisticated, carefully explained, geometrical evidence to demonstrate that the BUK truck was superimposed on another video of parts of its alleged “route” to the launch site. Then Konashenkov said:
This is conclusive evidence that Ukraine was not just involved in this tragedy but it also manipulated the international investigation.
Konashenkov then played a recording of a 2016 conversation between servicemen preparing for military exercises in Odessa. Ukrainian Armed Forces Col. Ruslan Grinchak suggests to one of his soldiers who is objecting to an order:
Hey! If this keeps going on we will take down another goddamn Malaysian Boeing and everything will be great again. So, that’s what we will tell them.
Konashenkov also explained that in July 2014, when MH17 was shot down, the colonel was the commander of the 164th radio technical brigade, nr A1451 of the Ukrainian Air Force. […] In other words Grinchak knew exactly what was happening in the air over Donbass, because it was his job.”
The General then stated that Ukraine was clearly involved in the MH17 tragedy and has concealed key information from the JIT that would lead to evidence of Ukraine involvement.
Here I have to credit the brilliant source of the information I used for this entry. Most of what I have said above is clearly explained in this September 17 post by Max van der Werff ( @MaxvanderWerff ). I’ve been following him since June 2015. I followed the tragic MH17 very closely from July 2014 for two years. I still have a keen interest in everything that has happened but only report from time to time when the occasional breakthrough is made.
This is such a time. I’m not holding my breath for the truth to come out. It’s been four years and four months since the shutdown and February 22, 2019 will mark 5 years since the US-promoted coup d’état that ousted Viktor Yanukovich and started this whole mess that I call the Blame Russia Chorus.
Propaganda has very deep pockets.
March 25, Could these two events be related? The Ukrainian SU-25 pilot, Vladislav Voloshin, who may have been ordered to shoot down MH17, allegedly “committed suicide” on March 18 – one week ago! See this link that includes pilot Voloshin in my timeline below dated April 26, 2016. And Nadia Savchenko (Hero of Ukraine under Poroshenko) has just been jailed in Ukraine for bringing her late-found Maidan sniper truth to power and talking about reversing the 2014 US-promoted coup. My “sniffer” alerts me to the possibility that the MH17 official story is becoming increasingly suspect (at last) and the people who can tell the truth, like Voloshin, continue to be eliminated.
January 26,MH17 Aside… for an amazing moment: a terrific and entertaining, loosely-related (via the Dutch Masters – of BS), brilliant article on NSA-dominated Fake News and the very scary, “collect-it-all worldwide” Big Data goal of the Deep State. This article by suzi3d on steemit.com exposes much more than a sloppy, popular, professional CIA troll named Garland. It ruthlessly dissects and exposes a total load of paid-for anti-Russia horse manure found on Twitter.
November 21 Key Update: I had not seen the video that accompanied this 3 year old Guardian article from Nov 5, 2014. The sound track is the conversation between the Estonian foreign minister, Urmas Paet and the EU’s Catherine Ashton. The real block buster is an Italian article that shows actual video of the foreign snipers entering and exiting the buildings on Maidan square with large bags that contained rifles. There is also this Nov 19 2017 YouTube report in Italian with English subtitles in two 10-minute parts that shows testimony and gory footage of the carnage that ensued, killing at least 80 pro-EU protestorsand police with the same guns and bullets. Names of US and Ukrainian advisors and commanders are given in this YouTube video. Georgian and Lithuanian snipers principally had been guns hired by the Ukrainian coup operators that were commanded to shoot indiscriminately to sow the chaos that ultimately caused Yanukovich to flee and assured the US-engineered coup.
January 13, 2017 Key Update: Christopher Black of New Eastern Outlook posted this on January 11: Trump and MH17: Just One Step Too Far? In it he describes the extraordinary detention at, for God’s sake, Amsterdam‘s Schiphol Airport, of journalists Michael Spekkers and Stefan Beck and the seizure of all their cameras and electronic devices plus pieces of the MH17 wreckage still in the Donbass that they found with the help of Graham Phillips. All of their material, photos and data have been looked through but we’ll not get the chance to see it.
This is yet one more piece of evidence that implies that NATO and its “servants,” the Dutch authorities, are very worried about evidence being revealed that neither the Russians nor the Eastern Ukrainians were, in any way, responsible for the shootdown of MH17. The guilty parties are very likely the Ukrainians for shooting down MH17, either accidentally or deliberately, and the Americans would then be guilty of hiding evidence at a minimum and, if the shootdown was a deliberate false flag, actual criminal involvement before, during and after the July 17, 2014 event.
The article summarizes the MH17 event succinctly and highlights the key smelly points. Mr. Black, an international lawyer based in Toronto, adds that the relentless onslaught of propaganda and incredible, as yet unproven, machinations against President-Elect Trump add serious gravity to the suspicions of thoughtful observers who haven’t let this farce go. The neocons are seriously spooked at the possibility that Trump will launch a proper investigation into MH17, one that I suspect will be hugely embarrassing to the American security apparatus, to the Obama democrats and humiliating to the American people themselves.
Below is a lot of information that I’ve collected in my study (ongoing since August 2014, less than a month after the shootdown) of MH17 and the Ukraine coup and its own background. Immediately following are other updates, and if you scroll down far enough you will see a very thorough chronological set of events and articles with links so that you, yourself, can analyze this puzzle to your heart’s content.
September 11, 2016: This post, begun on August 13, 2014, was expanded to include the Ukraine coup d’état in February 2014 financed and organized by the US State Department. MH17 didn’t happen in a vacuum. Since MH17 went down 26 months ago on July 17, 2014, a mystery story has evolved for me that goes back to 2013.
Background: To properly illuminate and present this story, it was necessary to examine the events that led up to MH17 and ultimately spawned its horror. So, some time ago, at the bottom of this longgggg post, I added a brief timeline listing the dramatic and violent events of the Euromaidan protests that began in November, 2013, three months before the coup, that forced the elected President Viktor Yanukovich to flee on February 21, 2014. The replacement of Yankovich with puppets selected by the US State Department alienated the citizens of Crimea and the Eastern provinces of Donetsk and Lugansk. Crimea acceded to Russia after a 90% referendum vote in March, and Donetsk and Lugansk proclaimed themselves independent peoples republics on April 7, 2014.
A Ukrainian-Canadian monitor with the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE), who arrived at the scene while the MH17 plane’s wreckage was still smoking and stayed to help organize, described evidence of seeming machine gun fire and none of a ground-to-air missile attack.
He did so in a CBC interview with Susan Ormiston aired July 29. Ormiston asked him directly about evidence of a missile attack. Michael Bociurkiw’s response lasts from 6:01 t0 6:40 in this 8-minute video. I quote his response verbatim:
There have been two or three pieces of fuselage that have been really pock marked. It almost looks like machine gun fire – very very strong machine gun fire that has left these unique marks that we haven’t seen anywhere else. We’ve also been asked for example, have we seen any examples of missile – well, no we haven’t. That’s the answer. And even if it was there we don’t have those trained eyes to pick that up…
Judging by the way the video was edited, Ormiston’s crew were interested in continuing to present this horrible tragedy in a way that would cause public outrage and continue to fuel the fires of hatred of Putin’s Russia. Shoes, childrens’ books, toys, notes-to-self, travel guides etc. etc…. This they probably succeeded in achieving.
Ironically, however, the video also shows – in the short statement by Michael Bociurkiw on “machine gun” evidence – that there may be some truth to the theory that MH17 was brought down by one or two Ukrainian fighter jets.